SHOULD YOU HAVE ANOTHER BABY? (MNShow 47)

June 21, 2012


QOTW: How did YOU know it was time to have your second (or third or sixth) child?

A crackdown on Frankenfoods, good news for older fathers, and should we have another baby? It’s episode 47 of the Mama Natural Show.

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First up, Californians’ demand for better food labeling may change what America eats.

The issue of genetically altered food hits the ballots this November in California.

It’s not the first time.

Other labeling laws have been drafted by politicians, even in other states.

None have made it to legislation. UNTIL NOW.

This time it is the PEOPLE demanding and petitioning for “The Right to Know Genetically Engineered Food Act.”

The referendum would require labeling to reflect all GMO and GEO foods.

Foods such as corn and soy byproducts and canola oil.

Frankenfoods, as they are commonly referred to, have been genetically changed.

The foods’ protein organisms have been altered to a point where substances that have never existed before in nature are ending up on our dinner plates.

An estimated 70% of the US food supply is Genetically Modified or Engineered. Products even found at Whole Foods include GMOs. Your safest bet is to purchase foods that are organic and even labeled non-GMO. Anything with corn, soy, sugar or animal products is suspect.

The effects of Frankenfoods are unknown, as no human studies have been done.

The FDA, food manufacturers and many lobbyists claim the foods are safe, even without effective human studies.

However, there are obvious causes for alarm with what IS known.

There has been a 400% rise in food sensitivities coinciding with the distribution of GMO foods over the last 20 years.

And there are high levels of kidney and liver failures (the detoxifing organs) of rats that ingested GM corn.

The correlations cannot be ignored.

Let’s hope the people in California are heard – and that that voice spreads across the nation.

Next, tick-tock, tick-tock, is there a male biological clock?

We all know women’s childbearing years are finite.

They’re fertile.

Eggs get older – less viable.

Then, menopause.

Men, on the other hand, can, technically, reproduce their entire lives.

Take Tony Randall who fathered his first child at 76….

or Nanu Ram Jogi who fathered his 21st child at age 90. DANG!

But should they?

Studies recently indicated baby’s autism risks are much higher with older fathers.

Miscarriage is another increased risk.

Yet, this week, a silver lining was discovered.

A new study indicates that children of older fathers live longer.

The findings are based on research into chromosomes. Older dads produce kids with chromosomes associated with healthy aging. Makes sense. Dad lives longer and can reproduce. So does child.

And the effect was cumulative over the generations, so even an old dad’s grandkids can live longer.

So Papa Mikey, looks like we got some time after all?

Now it’s time for some community news!

Mama Emily gave birth to her baby boy Sebastian or Bash for short on February 23rd at 11:17 p.m.

Emily found out she was pregnant on Father’s Day and it was no cakewalk.

She suffered from extreme morning sickness, was confined to bed and lost 20lbs. Scary.

She wanted to have a waterbirth and her doctor was actually excited since it would be his first waterbirth with the new tubs.

Emily started to have contractions at 32 weeks and her blood pressure was elevated, yet nothing progressed beyond that until her 40 week check up.

Her blood pressure was sky high again and when the doctor checked her there was no change in the dilation or effacement, but he could feel the baby’s head!

Needless to say, she was admitted.

She was given Cytotec around noon to start contractions. At 4:30 p.m. they gave her another dose. At 5, her OB broke her water. And that’s when things started really picking up… including the pain!

Emily decided to get an epidural because she knew she had a long journey ahead of her, and she says it helped tremendously.

At 8 p.m., she was 3 centimeters dilated. By 10:45 p.m. she was 10 centimeters!

BUT, she had to wait to push for TWENTY MINUTES because her OB wasn’t there yet.

Once he arrived, Emily wasted no time and she pushed out baby Sebastian like a pro. Born with a full head of hair, he weighed in at 7lbs 2oz and was just over 19 inches long.

Next time, Emily says she’s gonna have her natural water birth.

Congratulations to you Emily, Bash and family.

Next up, mama Melissa gave birth to her son Teagon on March 1 at 6:17 a.m.

Melissa wanted a natural, med-free birth with a midwife, but complications arose.

She was medically induced on Leap Day and labored for 12 hours…

She pushed, and pushed to the point of “crowning” for 3 when finally an OB on call told her she needed to have a c-section. So off to surgery they went.

Her delivery was very traumatic as doctors broke a rib pulling out baby and she had to receive blood transfusions post surgery. Teagan also had to stay in pediatrics due to severe bruising and a gash to his head from the delivery.

Whew, Teagon is healthy now… he’s intact, breastfeeding exclusively, unvaccinated, cloth diapered, co-sleeping and is worn a lot by mama. Go natural mama go!

Congratulations to you Melissa, Teagan and family.


Finally. I think most of us know when we’re ready to have our first baby. We plan. We pray. And then give it a whirl and see what happens.

But knowing when (or if) to have that second child – or the third, or the sixth – is a trickier proposition.

That’s why I got such a big kick out of Charlie Capen’s article on Huffington Post about the pros and cons of having another kiddo.

Here are five of Charlie’s reasons to hold OFF on number 2:

#5 – We’re only two years out of the gate.
Is it too soon? Maybe we should wait until the first goes off to college.

#4 – This cruel, cruel world
The Victorians didn’t have to worry about GMOs, bullying and SAT scores.

#3 — There are so many children out there without parents
Why should celebrities corner the market on adoption?

#2 – Those first few months.
Oh, the horror. I think Mike still has post-traumatic-stress-syndrome after all that lost sleep.

#1 – We can’t hack it.
We’re still getting back on our feet after baby #1.

Charlie’s top 5 reasons to GO for number two:

#5 – The miracle of birth
Maybe this time we’ll experience all the beauty involved without being scare silly?

#4 – We know more now
It would be a waste to not put our new parenting skills to use again.

#3 – Kids need siblings
After all, if my brother didn’t have me as a little sister, who would he have tortured?

#2 – Batch processing
Diapers. Nursing. Sleep training. Let’s have two close together and get all the hard parts over with at once.

#1 – Love without measure.
We never knew we could love so much until we had #1. With #2 our cups would truly runnith over.

Awwww.

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Caciona Bernstrom June 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm

My son is 9 months old and I have baby fever already!!! I cant wait to be blessed with a 2nd. It took 2 years to conceive my son so I’m not thinking we are going to have it easy but a surprise would certainly be loved!.

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dana June 26, 2012 at 2:30 pm

We’ve learned we are always ready. We can’t wait to be blessed with #9!

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Kathy June 26, 2012 at 2:41 pm

We will be adopting in the near future, when our two-year-old can talk clearly, use the bathroom by himself.

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Tara Douglas June 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Scariest moment was when I found my 1 year old with my husbands cologne bottle and had drank the entire thing! Ugh. Had to call poison control! Mommyhood can definitely be scary at times!

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Rose June 26, 2012 at 3:08 pm

We said we wanted to have our second not too long after our first. He’s almost 9 months, but I have yet to see any signs of my cycle back, so we’ll have to see! It might be time to try for number 2 when I can get pregnant again! ;-)

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Kelli June 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm

We want another, but It is different planning for the second. I kind of feel like just letting it happen whenever my body is ready again. I think all the nursing is helping with the whole birth control aspect at this point.
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karissa June 26, 2012 at 3:17 pm

vaccination day! yuck.

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Allison Van Gorder June 26, 2012 at 3:33 pm

My daughter had a febrile seizure starting in the high chair then finished in my arms when she was 12 months old the week of her 1st birthday. It was very scary, even being a nurse! She ended up having the flu that caused the sudden rise in temperature. She had another one at 2 years old from a virus the week of her birthday again! I still don’t like the winter time because of this!

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MamaCassi June 26, 2012 at 3:36 pm

we know it’s time for another one when i start envying every other new mommy and pregnant women. we’re expecting our 5th in February. and while i think i want to space them farther, since we want 6 and i don’t want to do it for another 5 years, we tend to space them about 2 years apart and are loving it. sleep deprivation and all.

God always gives us the nudge usually before we’re mentally ready, but long after we’re emotionally ready for a new adventure.

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Siouxzy June 26, 2012 at 3:47 pm

We had our first two 18 months apart. They are best friends. We are going to wait a couple of years and have another one or two. My siblings were a lot older than me and we didn’t spend a lot of time together; so I wanted to have my kids closer together.

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker June 26, 2012 at 4:06 pm

You know, I hear a lot of Mamas talking about “Baby Fever” and how they just want to have another one as soon as the first one is walking…but not me! It’s been 8 months since #1 and I still haven’t slept through the night – I am in no hurry to start all over again! Lol

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Lea June 26, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I knew we were ready when hubby and I agreed on it!

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kim June 26, 2012 at 4:24 pm

We are considering another one in the nexy five years

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Jenni@MomEssentials.net June 26, 2012 at 4:28 pm

Big families add spice to life! I knew I wanted to have a bunch of kids because in the long-term, it’s what I believe will bring me the most joy. I just kept going, until I reached seven children and I think I’m getting too tired to continue :) It’s hard work, but families can bring so much fun and joy into life. I’m just leaving for a reunion with my 7 siblings, and we have a blast! My parents are very glad they had us all now. They get to enjoy many grand kids! I’m glad I had my first couple about two years apart so they could play together, and they are still best friends. We love our big family!

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Felicia R June 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Scariest moment would be any time she takes a tumble. You never know what could happen when they hit their heads and you always hope everything is ok.

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Nicole June 26, 2012 at 5:21 pm

The scariest moment is when she stepped out of my sight in the grocery store.

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Elizabeth in Alaska June 26, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Well, we have four children five and under and we haven’t decided if we are done or not yet. :) Obviously, God has more control over that than we do.

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Margaret M. June 26, 2012 at 7:15 pm

We’re undecided on a second. Sometimes we want one and sometimes no. It’s definitely a much harder decision then I thought it would be!

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Noelle (@singerinkitchen) June 26, 2012 at 7:19 pm

The scariest? The only thing yet is when she almost rolled off the bed!
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Jennifer C. June 26, 2012 at 8:01 pm

We knew we were ready when our other child(ren) were somewhat independent and the baby bug hit hard. : ) We have three now. I am such a baby person that it’s hard for me to say once and for all “That’s all!”. But I think we’ll have to stop since one of our children has been diagnosed with a serious chronic condition. I think I’m going to have to babysit or something to fulfill my desire to be around babies!

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Kim June 26, 2012 at 8:21 pm

I wanted my kids to be close in age – much closer than the almost 9 years between me and my only sbling! But I was willing to accept whatever God had in store for me, whether that meant waiting longer or being happy with the one child He had already blessed us with. I’m glad to say He blessed us with another, and I didn’t have to wait long.

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Katy Allgood June 26, 2012 at 10:07 pm

We wanted our kids to be close in age, as well.

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giarose June 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm

scariest moment was a couple weeks ago when ds1 came running inside to say ds2 had been hit by a car while riding his bike. scariest. moment. ever. not knowing what I was running out to. thinking I had lost my little boy. by the time i got to the end of the driveway he was already running toward me. the lady that hit him said that she wasn’t going fast but couldn’t stop in time to not hit him as he had popped out into the street from behind a car. i really have no idea what happened. he says he jumped. not a scratch. nada. his bike wasn’t so lucky. he is only six years old and just recently learned to ride his bike. everyone was standing around in amazement not knowing what to do. i dropped to my knees and praised God!! Alleluia, Praise the Lord!

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Sheena June 27, 2012 at 12:23 pm

I would say that both my husband I knew it was going to happen when the hpt said we were expecting, lol. We gave up on using our own timetable after our first DD surprised us. We were on birth control when we found out we were expecting, and that was the case for both babies. God is so very much in charge! :D

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Beka June 27, 2012 at 12:57 pm

I knew it was time to have another baby when I found out I was pregnant :) God knew what he was doing, I just didn’t realize it for a few months after

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Jessica July 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm

God knows the future and He knows my capabilities waaaaay better than I can ever know myself or what I can/cannot handle in the future. I’m holding my 7 week old baby right now (whom we raise attachment parenting style so as I write sleep deprived I am acutely aware of how demanding this little precious soul can be). Yet, I’m also sharply aware of what a blessing she is, what joy, and its a chance for me to be less selfish! She is teaching me to truly be less self-focused and I’m growing into such a better person because of her! I see it as, He’s in control of everything so if He gives us another child, He’ll also give us the grace we need to raise them and make the sacrifices (like no sleep, ect).
also, I am one of 10 children in my family and I always say that my siblings are the best gift my parents ever gave me! I love having a big family!

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